1901 Monmouthshire
Abercarn

PHILLIPS

Thomas - 49 - Haulier, below ground - born Monmouthshire Lydne
Elizabeth - 53 - born Carnarvon
Laura - 12 - born Abercarn
Alice - 9

1891 Census, Monmouthshire, Mynyddslwyn

PHILLIPS

Thomas - 36 - Coalminer, born Monmouthshire, Lydne
Elizabeth - 46 - born Carnarvon
William E DAVIS, stepson - 16 - born Rhonda Valley
Laura J PHILLIPS -2 - born Abercarn
Robert WILLIAMS, boarder - 22 - Coalminer, born Glos. Lydbrook

I see on Genesreunited - the marriage of Arthur James PARNELL and Alice Elizabeth PHILLIPS has not been found- do you have any approximate ages of this couple, i.e. from death records etc.

A daughter is listed as Florence Elizabeth PARNELL - born 1913 - Pentwynmaur, WALES

Give us a clue as to the person you are interested in on the 1911 census, and will have a look.

When completing the form my ancestor has neatly & carefully used a pleasant clear Victorian hand in black ink, he has clearly left the "Place of birth" box empty.
However within this box(albeit it only just towards the far right end) someone has written "OX" in red ink. Immediately below this, and right next to the word Gloucester relating to my ancestor's wife, is written "137" or "13r" in the same ink & hand. To me this looks like a completely different hand & scribe altogether.

I presume this is the mark of an enumerator or somesuch official, and probably has NO relevance at all to the birthplace of my ancestor. If it did mean "Oxfordshire" as the website transcriber believes, wouldn't they have writen "Ox" ? Or do these characters perhaps indeed relate to a Birth Record or page of a Register ?

I hope someone with more Census Form experience and wisdom than me can please share their thoughts on this matter, thankyou, Jeff.

Further to my post of last week I have today found the following article from 2006 within the website of a wellknown British PRs company, which gives some credence to my thoughts:

"??? Genealogy Supplies’ online genealogy data service has taken off, and they are striving to make their indexes as accurate as possible, largely helped by the UKIndexer project www.ukindexer.co.uk. This is part of a vigorous, many layered, checking system to ensure a high degree of accuracy.

Transcripts and indexes
Although they started out with a volunteer surname indexing project, the census pieces are now fully transcribed in India with good results. The transcription stage is followed by an initial check to sample the data, which is then rejected if the error rate is unacceptable.

The data is then examined by a series of sophisticated, custom written software programs which look for anomalies. Initially these look at names and their frequency, flagging unusual looking entries. The flagged entries are checked and corrected by the ??? Genealogy Supplies trained in-house indexing team and the end result is used to create the name indexes. These are released in advance of the full transcripts, which still have a considerable amount of work to be done.

Further customised software examines the fully transcribed data, which contains all the major fields including the occupation. This software looks at details such as place names, relationships and occupations, again flagging any entries that look dubious. These are then checked by their in-house team assisted by over 4,000 volunteer indexers who have signed up to help at www.ukindexer.co.uk."
http://www.genealogyreviews.co.uk/ftmMar06uki.htm

Please note I am not promoting this company in any way, however it strikes me that their multilayered process is rather more effective than the system Ancestry use, which I'm sure is similar wrt their using staff from countries who do not fully recognise or understand British names and their context.

With regard my previously posted guess that the transcriptions would be initially done by machine, I mentioned this issue to my longsuffering wife. She is an accountant, she tells me in the last few weeks she's had to contact banks who are incorrectly removing extra £000s from her company's account. It transpires my wife has a new clerk who writes cheques very neatly & clearly; however her "1"s have long leading strokes which make the automated readers think they're "4"s !, rather like the Victorian "H"s and "W"s which Ancestry often think are "M"s.

Abercarn is within this Parish
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Mynyddyslwyn/#Description

Clearly the Forest does have traditional links with the South Wales valleys and it's iron & coal industries so I have had a quick search for the Marriage via FreeBMD, have you tried this excellent free site, if not I strongly recommend it. I believe it has decent coverage of the South Wales area where I expected to find your Marriage, however that said the nearest I've found thusfar is:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Parnell John Doncaster 9c 726
PHILLIPS Alice Sheffield 9c 726
Spencer Mary Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 726
Taylor Mary Frances Sheffield 9c 726
TURTON Thomas Sheffield 9c 726
WIGLEY Henry Sheffield 9c 726

HOWEVER please search FreeBMD yourself in case this isn't our couple, don't be too over specific wrt first names and do try variations of spelling.

Does the Sheffield area tie in with your family, your query wasn't overly specific so I assumed I was looking for South Wales or Somerset PRs ?. If you can provide more background to the couple then we may be able to help you more too.

Of course the Abercarn area had an ironworks which is a clear link to Sheffield, although I suppose it is more likely to be remembered for it's coal mining history following the terrible disaster of 1878.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1539643

http://industrialgwent.co.uk/newbridge.htm

http://www.newbridge-online.info/collieries.html

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Ebbw_Vale_Steelworks

Regarding the above FreeBMD result, I tried searching for Births for the couple, there a re a LOT of Alice Elizabeth Phillips listed but I only find three Arthurs:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Parnell Arthur James Portsea 2b 326

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Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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PARNELL Arthur James Thornbury 6a 218

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Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
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PARNELL Arthur James Ringwood 2b 694

On the face of it given your current address I'd perhaps target the Thornbury option, thinking of the Somerset coalfields (not to mention the wellknow Parnell aeroplane manufacturers at Yate, Bristol in the 1920s & 30s), which of couse doesn't match the Marriage. Again I await your further guidance please.

Hope this helps, J

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As, we could possibly be on the 'correct track' (hopefully)

FOD records - Marriage at Newland - 19 October 1790

George DREW married Susannah DENTON

witnesses: John DAVIS and Susannah BOND

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FOD records

Burials at Littledean

George DREW - 18 December 1833 age 68 = c1765 ****
Susanna DREW - 15 September 1839 age 75 = c1764
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FOD records - Baptism at Littledean - 25 December 1766

George DREW, parents James & Alice
notes: Mother is Elizabeth in BT's.

At least 2 possible siblings with same parents born at Littledean

James 1752, William 1775

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FOD records

Baptism at Awre - 18 March 1770

Susannah DENTON
father's Forename: Hathaway
mother's Forename: Mary

Notes: Blakeney Chapel

siblings:

Awre

Richard Hathaway HATHAWAY - 1782
Pelsther - 1779
Phebe - 1777

Newnham

Mary - 1767
Ann - 1773

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Burial at Awre - 7 May - 1806 - Denton HATHAWAY (died May 4) - age 69 = 1737

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Church of Latter Day Saints

Birth at Minchinhampton 12 September 1736 - Denton HATHAWAY - parents John & Mary

and marriage at Berkeley, Glos.

Denton HATHAWAY - to Mary MANN - 21 November 1756.

Looking at the baptism records for this couple in Littledean - they had two John DREW's born - one in 1802 and 1805 - (can't see a burial in between for a John DREW)

Normally, the father's name would be passed on through the generation - and wonder whether one of these John's was called George by the family - as your Charles Alfred DREW, was known as Alfred, and have come across this before, where a child was baptised by one name, but known by another, or name incorrectly written down in the register.....

Newnham: 1791 - Alice

Littledean

Mary - 1792
Sarah - 1794
Sophia - 1797
Hester - 1799
John - 1802
John - 1805
Charlotte - 1808

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Also, there is a clue on the 1861 census

DREW

George - 56 (John his possible brother is age 58 = 1803 on the 1861 census, Gloucester & age 47 1851 = 1804
Mary - 54
Lucy - 25
William - 19
Thomas - 14
John - 11
Alfred - 9
Edgar Ernest - 11 months
George DREW - age 19 - Nephew, born Stroud, Gloucestershire ****

----1851 Census, Minchinhampton

Wallsquarry

DREW

John - Head - 47 - Nailer, born Littledean (on the 1861/1871 census, age 58 & 68 - but on his own in Gloucester - Nailer)
Matilda - 48? Woollen Cloth Spinner, born Glos.Painswick (Matilda is on her own in Stroud, 1861 census)
William - 18 - Boatman - born Stroud
John - 15 - working on the water, born Stroud
George - 12 - Button maker born Stroud
Margram - 6 - Scholar, born Minchinhampton (Mary Ann?)

1841 Census, Stroud (Hundred of Bisley)
Brown Hill

DREW

John - 35 - Nail Maker
Matilda - 35
William - 10
John - 6
George - 1 c1840

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index

John DREW married Matilda BEARD - 30 November 1828 - Stroud

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possible back in Stroud on the 1871 Census, Stroud, Church Hill

George DREW - 30 - Labourer, born Glos. Bisley
Mary - 27 - born Stroud
Matilda - 2
Ellen - 7 months

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The children of James & Mary DREW start at Alvington in 1791....

There are 3 baptisms of children of a * James & Mary DREW at Lydney - (which I think is Littledean) could be the same couple....

William DREW 2 Oct 1785 (2 family names of George DREW)
James DREW 16 Sept 1787
Thomas DREW 9 Aug 1789 *

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The Church of Latter Day Saints have a marriage at Lydney - 7 October 1784, James DREW and Mary HOLMS - can't see this on FOD records. However, this is on Public Members Tree on Ancestry - and as regards James DREW's death on the 3 March 1838 at Alvington - this is quoted....

'James died of old age, at about 6 o'clock in the morning, the death certificate is very explict, Son, Somerset DREW, a Labourer of Aylburton was in attendance during his last illness. Maybe his wife Mary had gone before him'

Looking at this Public Members Tree, this will probably discount George DREW 1803 Alvington as your line - .....

George and his wife Elizabeth - (no record of marriage found) - had 3 children: John, 1827, George 1829, and William 1837 - and are on the 1841/1851/1861/1871 census Tidenham. George DREW died 30 October 1872 at Rosemary Lane, Tidenham, from Heart Disease and Dropsy.

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1851 Census, Glos. Tidenham

DREW

George - 50 - born Alvington
Elizabeth - 54 - born Tidenham
John - 24
William - 14

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Burial at Alvington of a James DREW - 6 March 1838 age 78 c1760 (so would have probably married around 1780+)

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and gave you previously the marriage at Lydney - 31 December 1813

Thomas DREW, Batchelor, residence Alvington

married Harriet HARRIS - Spinster, of this Parish

by licence

witnesses: Wm HARRIS and mark of Mary HARRIS

with consent of parents

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this could be the link between Alvington and Lydney
and had two children christened at Lydney: Ann - 24 February 1836, and William - 15 May 1842 (residence Aylburton)

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Why would a couple who lived in Littledean choose to have their child baptised in Alvington? Surely there was a nonconformist church closer to Littledean in 1803? Do you have any local knowledge?

So I'm still not convinced this is my George, even though I can't find another one that fits.
Possible Baptism
Though note this is Alvington, not Littledean
Record_ID: 391439
Entry_Number: 19
Year: 1803
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: DREWE
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: T Lewis BA Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex: D600

Cheers

Jacey

The 1911 census information given by 'Slowhands' is one Dix family, living in 3 rooms, Cawdor Cottages, (top of Brampton Street, Ross) - and the information given previously (all born in Ross)

John and Rose had been married 5 years, 3 children born alive, 3 living - John was a Bricklayers Labourer Builder.

Looking at Freebdm - for births of DIX (mother's maiden name BARBER) after 1911 - Ross District - not sure if they are John & Ross DIX's children.

Florence M - J/A/S Qtr 1912 (on war record - born 16 August 1912)
John - O/N/D Qtr 1914
Aia - J/F/M Qtr 1920
Rhoda - J/F/M Qtr 1922
Frederick J - J/F/M Qtr 1925
William H - J/A/S Qtr 1927
Alfred J - O/N/D Qtr 1931

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John DIX - First World War Record is on Ancestry

John DIX, age 38, Ross, Herefordshire, Year 1914

KS Light Infantry (S.R.) - 9 images

Rose Barber, whom he states - married at the Register Office Ross, Hereford, 29 May 1906.

Discharged on the 5 March 1915 - 'Not likely to become an efficient soldier (medically unfit). Chronic Rheumatism Good Character.

3 girls, Elizabeth, (8 July 1906) Beatrice, (18 June 1909) Florence, (16 August 1912) He was 5'11 inches tall, weighed 157 lbs, grey eyes and brown hair.

Many thanks

1911 Cawdor Cottages, Brampton St, Ross
John Dix 31
Rose Dix 26
Elizabeth Dix 5
Rose Dix 3
Beatrice Dix 2
(all from Ross)

Name: John Dix
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 585
<><><><><> possible
Name: Rose Dix
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1956
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Gloucester City
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 417

Year: 1827
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: BETHEL
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: STEPHENS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: William Stephens
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Beddes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. Douglas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 192
Parish_Chapel: Newland

My only real interest here is that James Morgan & Sarah Bethel's son William Henry Morgan 1856 married Evangeline Amanda Roberts 1867 in 1888. Evangeline Amanda Morgan nee Roberts emigrated to USA with Lewis (Louis) Marfell 1866. Interestingly one of William Henry Morgan's 8 siblings Mary Jane Morgan 1873 married Timothy Roberts 1876 in 1895, Timothy being a sibling of Evangeline Amanda Morgan nee Roberts.

Most interesting of all is that when Evangeline Amanda Morgan nee Roberts emigrated to USA in 1913 with Lewis (Louis) Marfell, she took only Evelyn Maude Morgan born 21 Aug 1902 with her, one of the 12 children she had with William Henry Morgan many of whom were a similar age to or younger than Evelyn Maude. Was she Lewis (Louis) Marfell's daughter ? No record has been found for a second marriage for Evangeline Amanda nee Roberts.

The US Census records are also revealing regarding Evelyn Maude Morgan :
In the 1930 census Louis and Evangeline are living in LaSalle in the home of Talcott Barnes(who was born in Wisconsin). Louis is a gardener and Evangeline is a cook for the family. In 1920 they are also living in LaSalle. They state that they both arrived in America in 1913. No children are living with them in either year.

Evelyn does appear on the 1920 U.S. census for LaSalle, Ilinois, but she is listed as Evelyn Marfell 16, a servant in the household of Howard Doan, Jr. Louis and Evangeline Marfell are listed in that census as residing at Deer Park in LaSalle County.

Jim Ashton

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Using the Advance Search : Baptisms at Alvington (try to form possible family groups, and try and find their records i.e. census and possible family names e.g. Charles etc. )

James & Mary DREW also had

John - 1791
Somerset - 1793
Mary - 1797
Elizabeth - 1801
Charles - 1805

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Thomas & Harriet DREW (nee HARRIS) : Baptisms at Alvington **** FOD records - Marriage at Lydney 31 December 1813 - with consent of parents

Mary - 1815
Elizabeth - 1817
George - 1819

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Charles & Mary DREW : Baptisms at Alvington

Eliza - 1832
Elizabeth - 1834

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The middle name 'Wesley' seems to be because they were non-conformists.

Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database (Non-conformist)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

George son of George & Mary F CROSS, February 1831, at Newent, Culver Street, Chapel Methodist - with notes (Mary daughter of Thomas & Lucy CROSS)

Amelia - June 10 1832 - same parents etc and Newent, Culver Street,

Mary - 2 November 1834 - same parents - Parish Littledean

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Looking at Public Members Tree, the CROSS side i.e. Thomas CROSS marrying Lucy SMITH 2 December 1792 Cirencester, is well documented.

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(Is this a non-conformist 'brother/cousin' ???)

William & Pheby DREW - had children baptised at Soudley Chapel - 1848/1850

FOD records - have a marriage for a William DREW marrying a Phebe COOPER 23 May 1831 - at Awre - witnesses James NELMES and Charles FENNELL (with consent of parents)

1851 Census, East Dean

DREW

William - 44 - born East Dean
Phoebe - born Newnham
Caroline - 19
Elizabeth - 17
John - 15
Joseph - 13
George - 11
Mary - 9
Ann - 6
Harriet - 4
William - 2
James - 1

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Baptism at Awre - 3 January 1808

William DREW - parents William & Elizabeth nee (Waite) Spinster

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FOD records - marriage at Newland

William DREW, Batchelor, Hundred of St St Briavels

married

Elizabeth WAITE - 16 September 1798 - witnesses James TINGLE, Thos. BOND

Could you find anything for George Drew the father, 1803?

According to the census returns George Drew and Mary Cross' children were:
Mary Anna Drew, 1828
George Drew, 1831
Lucy Sarah Drew, 1835
Henry Drew, 1837
Elizabeth Drew, 1840
William Cross Drew, 1842
Thomas Drew 1847
John Drew 1850
Charles Alfred Drew (known as Alfred), 1852 (My gggrandfather)

Of course census dates can be + or - 1 year depending on the date of birth and the date of the census

I can't find a baptism record for George the son (1837) but Mary Anna, Lucy and Henry were all baptised in Little Dean - presumably at the parish church.
source film number: 91530. I haven't found Elizabeth or William's baptosm yet, but - yes - Thoms and John were baptised at the WEesleyan church in Coleford - six miles there and six miles back again through the forest. They must have been pretty determined nonconformists by that time.

And then by 1852, Charles Alfred is baptised at the independent church in Little Dean. Do we know what date that opened for business?

Record_ID: 1055633
Entry_Number: 54
Year: 1852
Month: Sep
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: DREW
Child_Forenames: Charles Alfred
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: CalamoreLittle DeanGlos
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: B. Jenkyn
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born April 21st 1852
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6514 1/1
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Littledean Independent
Soundex: D600

Fascinating stuff, but I'm still no nearer to finding George Drew b. 1803, Little Dean.

Cheers

Jacey

I need some local knowledge to figure out this one. All help gratefully received.

I'm trying to find a baptism record for George Drew. He was born in (approx.) 1803 in Little Dean according to all the census records from 1851 - 1871. Can anyone help please?

I've found this one, but he seems to have been baptised at Alvington not Little Dean. Is that likely? I know there was a parish church at Little Dean when George's children were baptised, ut how about in 1803? Was there a parish church at Little Dean then or was it built after the Napoleonic wars in the rash of church-building that took place?

Possible Baptism
Record_ID: 391439
Entry_Number: 19
Year: 1803
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: DREWE
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: T Lewis BA Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex: D600
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He married Mary Cross in Abenhall in 1828 and from the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census returns their 9 children were all born in Little Dean between 1828 and 1852
MARRIAGE
Record_ID: 123
Entry_Number: 123
Year: 1828,
Month:Apr, Day 27
Grooms_Surname: DREW
Grooms_Forenames: George
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Briavils
Brides_Surname: CROSS -
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Licence_or_Banns: Banns Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Joseph Barnett Witness_2: Ann Dobbs
Officiating_Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Friends
Notes: Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
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His first child was baptised at Little Dean.
name: Mary Anna Drew
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 04 Jan 1829
baptism/christening place: LITTLE DEAN,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: George Drew
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C02996-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 91530

Thanks

Jacey

two of their children carry the middle name of WESLEY !!!

Thomas Wesley DREW - 1846 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn
John Wesley DREW - 1850 - ditto

and

William CROSS DREW - 1842 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn

He married Mary Cross in Abenhall in 1828
MARRIAGE
Record_ID: 123 Entry_Number: 123
Year: 1828, Month:Apr, Day 27
Grooms_Surname: DREW - Grooms_Forenames: George
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Residence:Hund[re]d of St. Briavils
Brides_Surname: CROSS - Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Licence_or_Banns: Banns Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Joseph Barnett Witness_2: Ann Dobbs
Officiating_Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Friends
Notes: Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

I have Emanuel with his wife Ann & his 3 Sons in the U.S. Emanuel had several other children born in West Virginia as did his sons that were born in West Dean. There certainly seems to be a preference for the name "Emanuel" as just about every one had a son with that name. This Emanuel & Ann had two. One died and they had another son a year later and name him Emanuel.

I cannot, however, find any passenger/ship records of when they came to the US. I did find one for a Thos Aston in 1855 but unless he came by himself, that isn't him

1891
Mary Barber abt 1821 Dean Head Ross, Herefordshire
Mary Barber abt 1855 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Rose Barber abt 1889 Ross, Herefordshire, England Granddaughter Ross, Herefordshire

Census and BMD data

1881
Mary Barber abt 1840 Ross, Hereford, England Head Ross, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Barber abt 1856 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Henry Barber abt 1877 Ross, Hereford, England Son Ross, Herefordshire

I'm researching Aston descendent's that have moved to the United States.

I believe my line is
Richard 1745 - Susanna Evans 1750
Son of Richard: Emanuel 1787 - Elizabeth Rudge 1874
Son of Emanuel: Henry 1832 (who moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and then Mason County West Virginia)

I also believe Henry's two brothers Emanuel 1822 & Thomas 1834 also moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and then Mason County West Virginia.

Just to fill in the geographic context

1851 Lane End
Emanuel Aston abt 1787 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Aston abt 1788 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Aston abt 1832 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thos Aston abt 1834 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Emanuel Aston abt 1823 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Aston abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Aston abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Aston abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emanuel Aston abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

I believe my line is
Richard 1745 - Susanna Evans 1750
Son of Richard: Emanuel 1787 - Elizabeth Rudge 1874
Son of Emanuel: Henry 1832 (who moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and then Mason County West Virginia)

I also believe Henry's two brothers Emanuel 1822 & Thomas 1834 also moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and then Mason County West Virginia.

Other than lots of coincidences, I have no "proof" that my Henry Aston is from this family. From what I've found, there is no mention of these brothers after the 1851 UK Census. Does anyone have any further information? Also, in this Census the family is woodcutters, but the Aston's that moved to the US are miners.

Also, is this Richard of 1745 the same one that was sent to Sidney as a convict in 1800? I find it hard to believe as it appears he has a lot of wealth as reflected in his will.

Hello,

I'm looking for Dix family history, were from Ross on Wye, my Gran was Rose Barber, and I believe from the forest, did anyone have a great aunt called that name. She was married to John (Jack) Dix, We think he was from Lydney area?

Name: John Dix
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1878
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 504

1881
James Dix abt 1851 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Ross, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Dix abt 1853 Llaugarren, Hereford, England Wife Ross, Herefordshire
Sarah A. Dix abt 1871 Lydneg, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Margaret Dix abt 1873 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Dix abt 1874 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Rhoda Dix abt 1876 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
John Dix abt 1879 Ross, Hereford, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
James Dix Ross, Hereford, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
Edwin Price abt 1821 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Ross, Herefordshire
George Jones abt 1862 Ross, Hereford, England Lodger Ross, Herefordshire

Name: Rosa Barber
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 441

1891
James Dix abt 1849 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Ross, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Dix abt 1851 Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Wife Ross, Herefordshire
Rhoda Dix abt 1876 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
John Dix abt 1880 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
James Dix abt 1881 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
William Dix abt 1884 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
Frederick Dix abt 1886 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
Clara Dix abt 1888 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Alfred Dix abt 1890 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire

1891
Mary Barber abt 1821 Dean Head Ross, Herefordshire
Mary Barber abt 1855 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Rose Barber abt 1889 Ross, Herefordshire, England Granddaughter Ross, Herefordshire

nAME: John Dix
Name: Rose Barber
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1084

1911 Cawdor Cottages, Brampton St, Ross
John Dix 31
Rose Dix 26
Elizabeth Dix 5
Rose Dix 3
Beatrice Dix 2

(all from Ross)

Name: John Dix
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 585

<><><><><> possible
Name: Rose Dix
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1956
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Gloucester City
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 417

I'm looking for Dix family history, were from Ross on Wye, my Gran was Rose Barber, and I believe from the forest, did anyone have a great aunt called that name. She was married to John (Jack) Dix, We think he was from Lydney area?

Year 1805
Month Jun
Day 9
Parents Surname DEANE
Child Forenames George
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P1 IN 1/4
Page Number 3
Parish Chapel Abenhall

or if the year is incorrect and a late baptism....

Year 1812
Month Oct
Day 4
Parents Surname DREW
Child Forenames James
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Catherine
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister Henry Prowse Jones Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda son of Born 1812 Sep[tembe]r 20
Notes Not in BTs
Register Reference P110 IN 1/4
Page Number 19
Parish Chapel Littledean

or a sibling

Year: 1806
Month: Dec
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: DREW
Child_Forenames: Susanah
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

with these parents:-
Year: 1806
Month: Jan
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: DREW
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Extraparochial adjoining
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Catherine
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Extraparochial
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 15 22 & 29 December 1805
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Tingle
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Nichols
Other_Witnesses: Chas Rose
Officiating_Minister: Richd Wetherall (Curate)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

I have a George Drew b.1805, I am looking for information re his parents,
I have two marrages for him, one to a Mary Cross 27th April 1828 Abenhall and another to Mary Ann Chisholme 7th March Staint Thomas, Salisbury.
Can anyone help with confirming if he was married to both or who he was married to and any info on his parents.

Thank you

Ruth

Some more context might help - why you suspect he married twice - where he was living ( Abenhall and Salisbury are some way apart) - where he died - any children etc

1851
George Drew abt 1805 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Drew abt 1807 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy S Drew abt 1836 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Drew abt 1838 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean,
Elizabeth Drew abt 1840 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William Drew abt 1842 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Drew abt 1847 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
John Drew abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire

Thank you

Ruth

Sorry George was born in Little Dean 1805
I'm not sure whether he was married twice on not.

1841
James Edwards abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Ann Edwards abt 1796 Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Edwards abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire
James Edwards abt 1823 Newland, Gloucestershire
William Edwards abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Hester Edwards abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Frances Edwards abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Edwards abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
next door to
William Edwards abt 1752 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1796
Month: Jan
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: EDWARDS
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Hester
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes: Father's name expanded
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 67
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1851 Bream
James Edwards abt 1796 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Edwards abt 1795 Habton, Worcestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Esther Edwards abt 1828 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Fanny Edwards abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Edwards abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1856
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Surname: EDWARDS
Forenames: James
Residence: Yorkley Grove
Age_at_death: 59 years
Officiating_Minister: Hy Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/34
Page_No: 11
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

<><><><> Father ?

1841 Yorkley
William Edwards abt 1752 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1846
Month: Sep
Day: 27
Surname: EDWARDS
Forenames: William
Residence: Pillowell
Age_at_death: 89 years
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/29
Page_No: 54
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1911 40 Jones Street Phillips Town New Tredegar

Paul Brown 27
Cann Ann Brown 25
Samuel James Brown 3
Albert Reginald Brown 2
William Clifford Brown 9/12

Name: Albert Reginald Brown
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1908
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 775

Year: 1941
Month: Apr
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: BROWN
Grooms_Forenames: Albert Reginald
Grooms_Age: 32
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Stationary engine driver
Grooms_Residence: Parkend Glos
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: BROWN
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Paul
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Brides_Surname: WARD
Brides_Forenames: Beatrice Alice May
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook Glos
Brides_Fathers_Surname: WARD
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William Edward
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: William E.Ward
Witness_2: William Clifford Brown
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: R.W.E.Robinson Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 7
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

BROWN Albert Reginald
WARD Beatrice Alice May
Forest of Dean Lydbrook Holy Jesus
1941 3 14

Name: Albert Reginald Brown
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1908
Date of Registration: Oct 1992
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1833

hi jenny, have you found a cora edwards c.1884 in your family tree? this was my grandmother and she married paul brown in gelligaer where my father was born in 1908. regards from south africa carol

1841
James Edwards abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Ann Edwards abt 1796 Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Edwards abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire
James Edwards abt 1823 Newland, Gloucestershire
William Edwards abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Hester Edwards abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Frances Edwards abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Edwards abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
next door to
William Edwards abt 1752 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1849
Month: Nov
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: EDWARDS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: EDWARDS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: ADAMS
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: ADAMS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: he marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of Charles Edwards
Witness_2: Elizabeth Edwards
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 78
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1851
James Edwards abt 1824 Harbury, Staffordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire {HANBURY near Burton on Trent ?}
Ann Edwards abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Edwards abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1859
Month: Aug
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: EDWARDS
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Yorkley
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Alen C. Ponton Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 62
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861
James Edwards abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Edwards abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Edwards abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Edwards abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Edwards abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Henry Edward abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuell Edwards abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Yorkley
James Edwards 47
Ann Edwards 42
Charles Edwards 20
Elizabeth Edwards 18
Thomas Edwards 15
James Edwards 14
William Edwards 13
Samuel Edwards 12
Frank Edwards 7
Emma Edwards 5

Name: Corrae Ann Edwards
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885
Registration district: Crickhowell
Inferred County: Breconshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 111

1891
Samuel Edwards abt 1860 Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Emily Edwards abt 1863 Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Norah A Edwards abt 1886 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Beatrice Edwards abt 1888 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Franks Edwards abt 1890 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Franke Edwards abt 1864 Gloucestershire, England Boarder Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

1901
Samuel Edwards abt 1860 Yorkley, Glamorgan, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Emily Edwards abt 1863 North, Staffordshire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Cora Ann Edwards abt 1886 Bakes Sown, Breconshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Beatrice Edwards abt 1888 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Frank J Edwards abt 1890 New Tredgar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Ethel Eva Edwards abt 1892 New Tredgar, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
James Hy Edwards abt 1893 New Tredgar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
William John Edwards abt 1895 New Tredgar, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Bedwellty,

1911 40 Jones Street Phillips Town New Tredegar

Paul Brown 27
Cann Ann Brown 25
Samuel James Brown 3
Albert Reginald Brown 2
William Clifford Brown 9/12

Name: Cora Ann Edwards
Name: Paul Brown
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1907
Registration district: Bedwelty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 193

Name: Cora A Brown
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1914
Age at Death: 30
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 391

JONES William & Martha possible baptisms:
431569 1746 JONES Martha Robert Mary Monmouth
418991 1755 JONES William Robert Mary Monmouth
419245 1759 JONES Robert Robert Mary sweep chimney Monmouth

Does anyone think that it's worth persuing my next theory? The above might possibly be brothers and a sister who were born in Monmouth and moved to Ruardean with William JONES marrying Susannah HERBERT on 15 Jul 1770 and Martha JONES becoming William HERBERT's second wife in 1796?

Second thoughts - Martha would probably be too old to have had all her children, so I think I have to discount this.

Nevertheless all ideas gratefully received!

1871
John Jones 34 Farmer Dymock
Elizabeth Jones 38 Dymock
John Jones 3 Kempley
William Jones 11 Months Kempley
Mark Lane 70

1881
John Jones abt 1837 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Tibberton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1834 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tibberton, Gloucestershire
John S. Jones abt 1868 Kemply, Gloucestershire, England Son Tibberton, Gloucestershire
William H. Jones abt 1871 Kemply, Gloucestershire, England Son Tibberton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1873 Kemply, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tibberton, Gloucestershire
Sarah Jones abt 1878 Linton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tibberton, Gloucestershire

1891
Sidney W Warren abt 1862 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Susan Warren abt 1866 Bulley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Christopher Warren abt 1887 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Nora Ellen Warren abt 1890 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1871 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire

Needs some more work but instinct says 2 families ....

continues here _

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=37006

Record ID 16423
Entry Number
Year 1770
Month Jul
Day 15
Grooms Surname JONES
Grooms Forenames William
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Ruardean
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname HARBERT
Brides Forenames Susannah
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Ruardean
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark he signed her mark
Witness 1 Jno CRADOCK
Witness 2 Joseph HARPER
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister no minister mentioned but in handwriting of H THOM
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/3
Page Number 67
Parish Chapel Ruardean

I am now looking for a connection between William JONES and Martha JONES...!

Marriage at Cinderford St John 22 February 1896 (not 1894 as per your message)

William Henry JONES , age 25 Bachelor, Farmer, residence : Cindeford

father: Jones JONES (Farmer)

married

Ellen Elizabeth CLEMENTS - age 24 Spinster, residence: Cinderford

father: Joseph CLEMENTS (Gardener)

by banns

witnesses; John Samuel JONES/Annie BALDWIN

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Looking at Gloucestershirebdm for JONES - mother's maiden name: CLEMENTS

two possibilities:

Sarah Ann 1897 - Redmarley, and William Henry - 1896 Redmarley

and

FOD records

Baptism at Tibberton - 30 May 1896

William Henry JONES, father: William Henry - mother Ellen Elizabeth

residence; Kempley, Farmer

If she is also the Martha Jones who married William Herbert in Llantillio in 1796 then:
She could have married in Monmouthshire but was born in Gloucestershire?
She could have been born in Monmouthshire but this did not get noted for the 1841 census?

As William and Martha Herbert of Ruardean don't baptise any children in Ruardean until 8 years after 1796 - do we know if there any additional Herbert baptisms near Llantillio to a William and Martha between 1796 and 1804?

Thomas Ballard, his brother James and hios brother Richard all worked as Paper Stainers in London.

Thank you again for taking the time to look on my behalf.

The Skipp side is especially interesting - they seem to have been prominent in Ledbury.

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/Life_in_Hewelsfield_and_Brockw...

That does contain a fairly debatable assertion that Hewelsfield derives from "High wold," rather than "Hywel" (although Powell is from "ap Hywel"). Anyway, it's a very interesting article.

In the 1881 census Ellen E Clements aged 9 was living with William and Hannah B Catlin at Jubilee St Mile End Old Town London Middlesex. In 1891 she was back living in Dymock with her grandparents Thomas and Sarah Ann Spencer it was a second marriage for Sarah Ann her first marriage was to Henry Parry in about 1848/9 her maiden name was Jones.

I know nothing of William H Jones and Ellen after there marriage did they have children live locally any news would be welcome.

Thanks Winslow Boy.

I agree with you that Poole Keynes seems too far away. But it prompted me to search again in a different way and I came up with this possibility which is much closer to home as it were:

William HERBERT & Martha possible marriage

Transcription page details
Day:17
Month:Jun
Year:1796
Groom's Forename(s):William
Groom's Surname:Herbert
Groom's Parish:Llantillio Crosssenny
Groom's Status / Notes:
Bride's Forename(s):Martha
Bride's Surname:Jones
Bride's Parish:Llantillio Crossenny
Bride's Status / Notes:
Banns / Licence:Banns
Consent:
Parish:Llantilio Crossenny
Church:St. Tilio
County:Monmouthshire
Record source:Gwent FHS Marriages - Chepstow Branch
Data provider:Gwent Family History Society
Transcriptions © Gwent Family History Society

Though not relishing looking for 'Jones' in Wales, I'd welcome any help at all, especially if someone has already researched this route!